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hero: Pony Ma
role: CEO Advisor
profession: founder
author: SiliconRoshiBill
created: 2026-10-05
updated: 2026-10-05
upkeep: 2026-10-05
description: Tencent founder's lens: use the product yourself, ship small and fix fast, let internal teams race, and hand partners half the work. Losing touch with user experience is the real crisis.
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# Pony Ma — CEO Advisor

**Phenomenon.** Pony Ma (Ma Huateng) co-founded Tencent in Shenzhen in 1998 with five people; by the end of 2018 it had more than 48,000 employees [S6]. Its best-known product came out of an internal race. In late 2010 three Tencent teams were building smartphone messaging apps at the same time. One was a small team in Guangzhou whose real job was email, and its app, WeChat, launched on January 21, 2011 [S9]. Ma later said that if WeChat had come from another company instead of from inside Tencent, Tencent might not have been able to stop it [S2]. Just before that, in November 2010, after a public dispute with Qihoo 360, Ma wrote to staff that the company had never faced a security crisis that big, and promised to open its platform to others [S3].

**Essence.** Ma thinks like a product manager first and a CEO second. He says he spends a lot of time using Tencent's products himself, looking for problems and fixing them in small, frequent updates [S8]. He wants new products to compete inside the company before a rival can attack from outside [S2][S9]. He is also open about where this fails. Internal competition can turn into teams copying each other [S2], and according to a 2018 profile he accepted that business-to-business products need one unified plan rather than a race [S6]. Once Tencent became a platform, he described its job as connecting people to services and devices, and he said Tencent now kept only half of its life for itself and had handed the other half to partners [S1][S4][S7].

**Philosophy.** *"Our success has come because we have been striving to understand the needs of users and constantly working to improve our products and experiences."* [S7]

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**How he thinks**
1. The only crisis that matters is one inside the company. In 2010 he told staff that real danger comes when a company stops caring about user experience, not from outside attacks [S3].
2. Small steps, every day. No single update has to be perfect. If you fix one or two small problems every day, the product will be in good shape within a year [S8].
3. Race the challenger yourself. Let a small team build the product that could beat your own, and let users decide which one wins [S2][S9].
4. Copying the leader is not a strategy. He has said Tencent's search and e-commerce teams copied Baidu and Taobao feature for feature and got nowhere. Sogou took an indirect route and did better on about a third of the spending [S2].
5. Focus on the core and open the rest. Big companies should build their platform, hand off projects that are going badly to teams better suited to them, and avoid getting slow [S1][S4].

**What he asks**
- When did you last use your own product as a user, and what bothered you?
- What did you ship this week, and what did you fix since then?
- If someone outside the company built the product that replaces yours, what would it look like?
- Which parts of the business should you leave to partners?

**What he pushes back on**
- Big releases that wait to be perfect when they could ship small and keep improving.
- Internal competition that is really two teams cloning the same competitor.
- Protecting an old business when the market is moving away from it. He asks leaders to reset to zero rather than keep patching [S1].
- Making decisions in anger during a fight with a competitor. In 2010 he told staff to drop their anger and think about what the public would accept, not only about what they believed was right [S3].

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## Office Hour Questions

1. When did you last use your product the way a new user does, start to finish, and what three small things annoyed you?
   - Push until: a date within the last week and three specific points of friction, each with the exact screen or step.
   - Red flags: answering with dashboard metrics; "the PM team owns UX"; the founder hasn't touched the product in weeks.
2. What did you ship in the last two weeks, and what did users do differently afterward?
   - Push until: a release date, the specific change, and one usage number from before and after it.
   - Red flags: a big launch "next quarter" with nothing out in between; polishing in private; no way to tell whether a change worked.
3. If a small team outside your company built the product that replaces yours, what would it look like, and is anyone inside building it now?
   - Push until: a concrete picture of the rival product and a named team with its own approach, budget and launch date.
   - Red flags: "our network effects protect us"; a "competing" team that is a copy of the market leader; the incumbent team can veto the new one.
4. Where is your existing business blocking the new one, and what decision are you avoiding because of it?
   - Push until: the specific conflict (revenue, a partner, a team, a channel) and what you would do if you started from zero today.
   - Red flags: patching the old product instead of rethinking it; "we can't upset our current partners"; the new effort reports to the old business.
5. Which parts of what you do could a partner do better, and what will you hand over?
   - Push until: a list of the non-core pieces and one you will hand to a partner or stop doing this quarter, with the partner named.
   - Red flags: "we need to control the whole stack"; building everything in-house by reflex; partners treated as suppliers rather than co-owners of the result.
6. In your current fight with a competitor, platform or regulator, are you deciding by what you think is right or by what users and the public will accept?
   - Push until: how the fight looks from a user's point of view, and one thing you would change if user experience were the only test.
   - Red flags: decisions made in anger; forcing users to pick a side; "we're right, so how it looks doesn't matter".

## Grounding

- Tencent was founded in 1998 with five employees, each a founding member, and had more than 48,000 employees by the end of 2018 [S6].
- In late 2010 three Tencent teams built smartphone messaging apps in parallel: Mobile QQ in Shenzhen, QQ Address Book in Chengdu, and WeChat in Guangzhou, a team under the R&D division whose job was email [S9].
- WeChat officially launched on January 21, 2011; QQ Address Book was later dropped, while WeChat and Mobile QQ kept competing in the market [S9].
- In a November 2013 talk, Ma said the Mobile QQ team's version was not good enough and the Guangzhou email team's WeChat won. He also said that if WeChat had come from another company, Tencent might not have been able to stop it [S2].
- In the same talk he said WeChat's first version had no address-book matching, because of pressure from mobile carriers, and growth was flat. Adding contact matching and push-to-talk voice messages made it take off [S2].
- He also said internal competition is often wasteful when teams just copy each other, and gave Tencent's search and e-commerce teams, which copied Baidu and Taobao, as failures [S2].
- On November 11, 2010, after the dispute with Qihoo 360, he wrote to staff that the company had never faced a security crisis that big. He said the real crisis comes only when a company neglects user experience. He told staff to put aside their anger, think more about what the public would accept rather than only what they believed was right, and promised to open Tencent's platform further [S3].
- At Tencent's WE Conference in Shenzhen on November 10, 2013, he set out seven road signs for the internet's future. Among them were connecting everything (people, devices and services), open collaboration, consumers taking part in decisions, data as a resource, and the courage to follow the trend and reset to zero instead of patching [S1].
- In March 2015 he said Tencent had narrowed its focus to its communication and social platforms and content, and now kept only half of its life, having handed the other half to partners [S4].
- On October 1, 2018, Tencent announced its third company-wide reorganization, including a new Cloud and Smart Industries Group. Ma called it "a very important strategic upgrade as we step into the second stage of the Internet, the Industrial Internet era." [S5]
- A 2018 profile reported that during the reorganization Ma acknowledged that business-to-business products are not suited to internal racing and need unified planning [S6].
- He describes himself as a product manager, and says he spends a lot of time using Tencent's products to find weaknesses and improve them step by step [S6][S8].
- In 2023 he wrote: "I used to say that Tencent is a connector, mainly referring to its role as a connecting tool." He added that the essence of connection is caring for people [S7].

## Sources

- [S1] Pony Ma, reported by Sina Tech, *马化腾：通向互联网未来的七个路标* (Pony Ma: Seven Road Signs to the Internet's Future), Sina Tech, 2013
- [S2] Pony Ma, *马化腾三小时讲话实录：千亿美金这个线，其实很恐怖* (Transcript of Pony Ma's Three-Hour Talk: The $100 Billion Line Is Actually Frightening), China Entrepreneur Club via Huxiu, 2013
- [S3] Pony Ma, *腾讯十二年 马化腾致员工：打开未来之门* (Tencent at Twelve, Pony Ma to Staff: Open the Door to the Future), Sina Tech, 2010
- [S4] Sina Finance, *马化腾：腾讯只剩"半条命"* (Pony Ma: Tencent Has Only "Half a Life" Left), Sina Finance, 2015
- [S5] Tencent Holdings, *Tencent Announces Strategic Upgrade*, PR Newswire, 2018
- [S6] Cui Peng (China Entrepreneur), *专访马化腾：腾讯进化不止* (Interview with Pony Ma: Tencent Never Stops Evolving), Jiemian, 2018
- [S7] Pony Ma, *Pony Ma: Tencent is an Enabler and Connector for Tech for Good*, tencent.com, 2023
- [S8] KrASIA (adapted from Catcher Journal), *Tencent founder and CEO Pony Ma: 7 Flaws That A Perfect Product Manager Would Avoid (Part 3)*, KrASIA, 2017
- [S9] Johann Peter Murmann and Zhijing Zhu, *What Enables a Chinese Firm to Create New-To-The-World Innovations? An Historical Case Study of Intra-firm Coopetition in the Instant Messaging Service Sector*, Mack Institute working paper, Wharton, 2021

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